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Entry tags:books, oops! had an opinion, young adult literature
The YA book community loves contests. They love them. Who am I to begrudge them a contest, run how they want it to be run? Contests are fun, but there's a sticky, slimy underbelly to them since Google decided that the best idea they've ever had is the Followers feature, or Google Friend Connect, which then spiraled into this absolutely narcissistic obsession to use contests not to share the love of a book, but instead to go "ME ME ME ME IT'S ALL ABOUT ME!"

Others might not find this underhanded, but I do, and also find it creates an environment in which it's hard to host contests without feeling like a jerk for not offering people 500 different ways to get entries.

I like the idea of contests. I used to enter a lot and I won a handful of times. I always read the book and then gave it to my library if they needed it (they were usually happy to have it). It was a nice system, but it stopped working when the follower feature was introduced. It died a horrible, stinking death, and its body was kicked into a ditch to rot. Maybe there's some sour grapes involved, who knows! I can be whiny when I want to, sure. But also, it's been awhile since I played the game. Once the trend of giving a pound of points to followers started kicking in, I bid the whole process a dissatisfied farewell.

As I was telling another friend the other day in an e-mail discussion, this was, in large part, why I decided to close my YA blog: popularity and the obsession with visibility and fame for doing nothing but giving people free things. It was spreading, and fast, and frankly, having a "YA" attached to my blog name was starting to look like the kiss of death credibility-wise and on top of it all I was tired of pretending to fit in with a specialized blog. At some point being a YA blogger became less about sharing the love of books. It became more about bribing people with free books and swag to promote the blogger instead of the book in painfully obnoxious ways that sometimes hit my embarrassment squick so hard I was convinced I was back in a theater watching Meet the Parents and getting so upset I was ready to barf. Honestly? It's hard to tread water in a sea full of popularity sharks who want nothing more than to have more followers than the big BNF bloggers, without putting any effort in to add to the discourse in any productive way. It's intention whoring at its most basic.

Christ on a cracker, popularity. I was over this mess back in primary school. It was an illusion of power then and it's an illusion of power now; as if there is true power on the internet. People host contests, but you have to be a follower to enter. Right? Or you can enter, but if you're not a follower, dude, you are fucked, because becoming a follower gets you five extra entries so if you don't become a follower winning anything has gone from one chance in five to one chance in 1,000. Then inevitably, down the pipe comes the infamous "YAY I HAVE 500 FOLLOWERS!" contest, and guess what, you have to be a follower for that one, too, and sometimes they will offer extra stuff if they git a higher follower number during the contest.

What a joke. Of course these people have 400, 700, 1000 followers—they've bribed a good portion of them all to become followers for the chance to win a book. Then they use this number, which was arbitrary before but really hasn't a foot to stand on now, to promote themselves as a trusted voice in the community, to lend credibility to their reviews and interviews and work. I mean, comparisons I'd never thought I'd make: YA bloggers and snake oil salesmen. Like hell I'm going to trust a review written by someone who is regularly pumping up their follower numbers with bribery and asking for tons of free promotion in exchange for a book. Dude, I am not freaking Google Ads and it is not my job to promote a blog: it is the job of the owner to do it. That mess is work and also amounts to a bunch of empty pointless content poured into the tubes that is just totally self-serving, and I don't want a damn book for polluting the internet, I want at least minimum wage.

What do numbers mean? Nothing. What matters is the voice that is being added to the collective conversation about YA literature, and all I'm hearing right now is a whole lot of static. The annoying kind that comes with buzzing, even.

Examples from recent contests I thought about entering, but had to stop and go, "Are you kidding me? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?" along with angry spluttering and bemused keymashing, etc.


+5 if you subscribe by mail
+5 if you subscribe via google reader
+5 if you tweet about this giveaway (leave link)
+10 if you rate me (see link at bottom of blog)
+10 if you add me to your blog roll (and link it back to my blog)
+10 if you blog about the contest in your sidebar (link back)
+15 if you blog about this giveaway in it's own post (link back)
+20 if you follow @username on twitter (leave your twitter name)
+20 if you put my button on your blog and link back


The above crossed the River of No Shame and then scaled Mount Ridiculous. Own that pile of blatant self-promotion, blogger! *cheers on*


follower? +5
tweet? +5
sidebar? +5
blog post? +5
follow me on twitter? +1
add me on facebook? +2
add up your entries for me? +1


Emphasis mine.


are you following me?
+2 new
+4 old
+0 not following

are you subscribed to my feed?
+4 yes
+0 no

did you blog about this contest?
+5 yes
+0

have you tweeted/myspaced/facebooked about this contest?
+1 (for each) yes
+0


I like this one especially because it highlights the lack of doing these things in a negative fashion by actually writing out that MAN you are getting a ZERO for this one! It's a really funny form of visual manipulation. Man, I am feeling warm and fuzzy!

In a lot of ways, I am disappointed the most in the aspect of this that has taken the focus off the books in question, and made it about the blogger. It's all superficial, the book is getting lost between the "ME ME ME LOOK AT ME!" and "HELL YEAH FREE STUFF!" Is that what contests to win books are supposed to be about? Maybe I am just old and surly and need to stop worrying so much about my lawn, but dammit, I like the lawn! I like the green grass and appreciating it and this metaphor has fallen and can't get up. Trying again: I can't see the lawns for the ostentatious pink flamingos that also light up at night and blink. Everyone has a right to decorate with pink flamingos, but at what point do we start appreciating the grass again? Will we be able to move them for the BBQ and the slip-n-slide? Internets, I want my 2007-2008 lawn back! This lack of room for the slip-n-slide is unacceptable, otherwise known as I really miss the days of entering a contest by leaving one comment, where extra entries were about promoting the book and not the blogger. So, I find it disingenuous for the requirement to promote the contest and the blogger's twitter account and blog: why isn't the requirement to blog about the book itself? To tweet the link to the Amazon page or the publisher's page or the author's website? To follow the author on twitter?

I do not understand.

I throw out a serious question: what is the deal, the obsession, with the follower number on blogger—or anywhere, facebook, twitter, myspace? Why do people want to inflate it? Wouldn't it be more useful if people didn't prompt others to follow them, but instead let the number develop organically, so it meant something? Because right now, YA book blog community, I cannot trust the follower number on many blogs, and it's even starting to make me suspicious of new blogs, too because I am not sure which new blogs have picked up this skeevy habit yet. If it's high, I assume it's high not because readers are interested in what a blogger has to say, but because those followers have been prompted to lend credibility to a blog by following it for a contest. After that, I'm also betting there's less promotion of a loved title and more promotion of the blogger behind it, as well.

A community is what the people in the community make of it, and credibility is not something that can be bought. It's not setting a few good example for new people, or promoting sharing of ideas or even the books themselves—it's setting up the expectation that to be heard, you have to buy people off. What a message.

I guess if that's what the community wants, that's what the community will do, and it'll work as long as the contests continue. It's going to be a shame when bloggers lose the ability to host them through whatever unexpected event that strikes, and find it's not so much people respect and enjoy their words, but that people enjoy getting free stuff, and can take or leave the blogger behind it. Ah, the nature of the community that develops in the shallow end of the pool.

To end on a positive note, I will promote some YA that my friends have loved: Paper Towns (John Green), Marcelo in the Real World (Francisco X. Stork), Between Mom and Jo (Julie Ann Peters), Little Brother (Cory Doctorow), Nation (Terry Pratchett), If I Stay (Gayle Forman), Catching Fire (Suzanne Collins).

Now I go back to chapters 1-10 of Northanger Abbey.


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chaosraven: Chopper (tasty)


[personal profile] chaosraven
2010-01-14 05:03 am UTC (link)
Are we on chapters 1-10 already? ;_; I need to keep up!

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renay: Text: I love being awesome! (i love being awesome)


[personal profile] renay
2010-01-14 05:04 am UTC (link)
Well, that's what we have to have read by Friday!

...I am on chapter one. ._.

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[personal profile] chaosraven
2010-01-14 05:16 am UTC (link)
Ahaha. Good luck? At least the chapters are short.

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[identity profile] stuffasdreamsaremadeon.com
2010-01-14 07:25 am UTC (link)
Oh man! If I wasn't so freaking lazy right now, I would literally be on the floor rolling around laughing right now...instead, you just have me crying in my bed right now. Seriously, Renay...I can't stand that shit either. I just close a post and stop reading if I see all that these days. I can't stand it. The popularity thing just drives me nuts!! Is that really why people blog??? On the other hand, Yay Paper Towns, Marcelo, Mom and Jo, Nation, and Catching Fire!!!!! :D :D (And I'm sure Little Brother and If I stay too but I haven't read those yet >>)

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[personal profile] renay
2010-01-14 07:42 am UTC (link)
I wish more people would speak out against it! It's whack. Also, I couldn't give a flying fuck how many followers someone has if their blog is nothing but copypasta from Amazon with some random rating, like, FIVE BLINKY CUPCAKES. Please allow me to punch myself repeatedly in the face the next time I see any rapidly blinking object. It's like the book blogger community sometimes goes back in time with the graphics, pries them up from deceased geocities sites and recycles them. DEAR BOOK BLOGGERS: THE 90s CALLED. PLEASE RETURN THEIR GRAPHICS.

I also feel like giving the entire YA blogosphere a kick in the face with my Accessibility foot. Learn some damn accessible code! But that is a rant for another time.

Honestly, I just went through your posts, Nymeth's posts, Debi's posts, and some random folks in my reading folder....but mostly the first three aforementioned. <3

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[personal profile] renay
2010-01-14 07:43 am UTC (link)
ALSO, CHRIS: YOU ARE POPULAR IN MY HEART. <3 <3

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[personal profile] imadra_blue
2010-01-14 08:07 am UTC (link)
Oh man, I did not even know that this was going on, as I hadn't involved myself in the movement. That definitely sounds skeevy to me, as well. Hopefully, the obsession with numbers will fade, but it's hard to say. People put so much wait on false notions of internets popularity.

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[personal profile] renay
2010-01-14 04:25 pm UTC (link)
It reminds me of Livejournal, and the whole "if you friend me I'll friend you back!" movement to boost subscriber numbers to look very important.

Ah, popularity.

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[personal profile] imadra_blue
2010-01-14 10:31 pm UTC (link)
I might argue that one's a little tricky? I go on a few friending memes in my new fandoms, because I don't have so many people on my list who share my new interests. I generally just post up there and let people decide if they find me interesting and want to friend so we can talk to more people about what we like. And if people ask to be friended, I'll friend them back. But I actually abhor asking most people I have not had dialogue with to friend, since it's just kinda random and mildly stalkery. And presumptive, because I might be interested in them, but them not in me, etc. But I do question the automatic friending policies...

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[personal profile] radish
2010-01-14 09:12 am UTC (link)
Ack, you are so full of the wits! You make even screeds worth reading.

Though, I'd probably have thought of this: I guess if that's what the community wants, that's what the community will do, and it'll work as long as the contests continue. and then left it at that, knowing that I could the same if I wished.

If it's false popularity, things will likely eventually settle themselves. And even if it's false popularity, it's still people talking about books and wanting books, right? Still growing a community -- however shallow -- around books. And that's kind of great, right?

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[personal profile] renay
2010-01-14 04:24 pm UTC (link)
Well, this is summing up a lot of my frustration with the obsession with fame and being "known"—it's getting people talking about books and wanting books, but in order to do that, the focus isn't really on the book for all these damn extra entries. It's on the blogger. That needs to shift; it's more supportive of the author, the industry, and ideas. Why waste this massive ability to spread information about a blogger? Use it to spread information about the book and the author. In the longterm, that's going to lend more credibility to a blogger than preening under the warm light of 207 entries to a contest where the people had to go blog, twitter, myspace, and facebook about a blogger who probably hasn't done much that's notable for publishers or the industry.

Sure, maybe they'll police themselves or maybe in a year people who blog about YA literature will have zero credibility, but I dislike the idea that's being propagated very, very successfully just because people want to be popular, because by the time the self-policing starts, I fear that we'll have sold off all ability to add to the larger YA canon discussion that's happening in the greater blogging world because we a) won't have developed any of the skills needed to add to that discussion, b) will be too caught up in who is popular in that community and thinking of ways to usurp them to care. That's...not really getting people fired up about books.

Right now, every time an issue of YA Connection goes up and I visit contest links, I die a little inside.

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[personal profile] radish
2010-01-14 05:38 pm UTC (link)
If it's a bubble inflation, perhaps it'll do as bubbles tend to -- collapse and serve to separate the wheat from the chaff. I can't imagine it will decrease the talent or competence of the members that matter.

Of course, I'm an outsider to this community, so I can't say much more than that.

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(Anonymous)
2010-01-14 01:06 pm UTC (link)
BUT I AM GUILTY! Well, once. And IN MY DEFENSE, I think it is stupid also, but was encouraged by a book publisher to do it. And I try to make it simple, but I added the follower one in there, just for kicks. AND NO ONE FOLLOWED ME. We call that karma. So whatever, my walk on the darkside was a failure and I'm pretty sure it's useless.

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[personal profile] renay
2010-01-14 04:11 pm UTC (link)
I think it says everything that a publisher encouraged you to do it.

Wow, that only makes me more suspicious; how many people are being dangled around on strings behind the scenes by the Puppetmaster publishers?

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[identity profile] regularrumination.wordpress.com
2010-01-14 01:07 pm UTC (link)
Oops, that anonymous guilty person up there is me.

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[personal profile] renay
2010-01-14 04:11 pm UTC (link)
*ponder* I am pretty sure there's a way you can stay logged in all the time, but I haven't explored OpenID in awhile and have forgotten!

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[identity profile] thingsmeanalot.com
2010-01-14 08:56 pm UTC (link)
Alternate title for this post: Renay Hits the Nail on the Head Yet Again & Does it Both Hilariously and Wisely. Seriously: YES YES YES. I'll never get the obsession with increasing numbers artificially - nor why people care so much about them to begin with.

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[personal profile] renay
2010-01-27 10:43 pm UTC (link)
I totally went and checked out your numbers, miss. *wink wink*

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[identity profile] readingisthespiceoflife.blogspot.com
2010-01-19 07:32 pm UTC (link)
I've really been pondering this entry/post for the last few days. I was kind of afraid to post a comment, since yes, I'm guilty as charged. However, I think you should know I've never thought of the whole contest thing in this way. I mean, sure I've gotten annoyed at all the extra shit I have to do to enter contests, but I never thought well I'm basically a blog pimp. I know you are probably like, who the fuck is this random girl and why does she think I should know something about her. Well, your post has got me thinking and pondering a bit, and well, I think you are right. Book contests should be about the book, they should be about the author not the oh-so-generous blogger. I thank you for providing a wake-up call. The more I think about it, the more intelligent it is to ask contestants to post/tweet about the author or title, as this gains more exposure for the book and reflects more positively on the author. So thank you for forcing me to take a good long hard look at myself.

In reading the comments on your post, I notice the comment about the amazon summary, the two sentence review and the blinkies and just want to say amen. I'm not sure when a summary and two sentences became considered a review. I sort of hate those review because it's so hard to comment on them. It's hard to find whether the book resonated with the blogger and why. It's hard to connect with the blogger by a comment which says more than simply great review.

Again, Renay, thank you for a bit of a reality check. I do appreciate it, even if it was not your intention at all with this post.

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[personal profile] renay
2010-01-19 07:54 pm UTC (link)
I am really not that intimidating even when the guilty people come over and go, "But Renay!" (unless the guilty people are also douchebags but that doesn't really apply here) so please don't be afraid!

So no; I don't expect that anyone inside the system for which this is the normal way of things to have ever looked at the process of how contests work in the Blogger community in this way. I started on Blogger, but I have been on many services: Blogger and Wordpress and self-hosted and forums and Livejournal and now here—I come from the outside, and most people participating in this system come from within. It's a perspective thing! Hence my post! Not that it matters; since I am so obviously outside the system no one who really needs to will see this. ;) I am actually surprised you found it! I am awed by your sleuthing skills. :D

I'm glad you found the post useful. I admit, I am very fond of the idea extra entries using Twitter. Polluting Twitter? Whatevs! I would be down with that if I felt these offers of extra entries were actually contributing something. I do not mind giving authors free publicity, because in many ways it is their livelihood I am supporting. Doing this for bloggers, er. I feel like demanding a paycheck. :|

I should honestly put my money where my mouth is and do giveaways for books without all the hoops. It feels a little goofy, upon reflection, to say these things when I most certainly don't host contests. >.>

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[identity profile] dreadfulpenny.wordpress.com
2010-01-22 01:40 am UTC (link)
You've hit my contest squick on the head, but may I also squick-puppy-pile in the weird acquisitiveness that takes place around all these contests, especially all the pre-pub hype that publishers seem to be drumming up through YA blogs? Like, I know I'm super-privileged to live in an urban area with two great public library systems, and I'm also a middle school librarian, but acquisition of more books to read? Never a problem for me. In fact, there's no way that I'd ever get through a mountain of ARCs (or galleys, as I like to kick it old-school) before they became grown-up books. I understand the desire to own pretty shiny new books as much as the next person, but unless something is super-obscure or an import, I'm pretty sure that a decent public library will end up stocking it within the year. And aren't there approximately 6,284,478,843 awesome books that are more than 12 seconds old that are also worth reading and blogging about?

Also: irony has struck. "shame" and "hock" were the words on my Captcha for this comment.

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